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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:37 am    Post subject: GE Evolution series and Marhaura Factory If a post contains some illegal issues you may abuse on it - just click Abuse and fill the form Reply with quote

The first of 1 000 Evolution Series diesel locomotives which GE Transportation is to supply to Indian Railways over 10 years was unveiled at the manufacturer’s plant at Erie in the USA on June 1.

GE Transportation is to supply 700 locos of 4 500 hp and 300 of 6 000 hp under a US$2·6bn joint venture agreement signed with the Ministry of Railways in November 2015, the largest contract ever won by GE in India. They will have Tier 1 GEVO engines.

The first 100 of the twin-cab 1 676 mm gauge locos locomotives are to be exported from the USA complete or in kit form. To meet the requirement for local production under the government’s Make in India programme, the other 900 are to produced with mainly Indian components at a factory which GE is building at Marhowra in Bihar. This is expected to be completed later this year, and will produce two locomotives per week for the current contract.



The livery planned for Indian railway.


Interestingly there is Hubli WDG4 12086 which has been repainted in similar looking livery, may be they got inspired by the new livery as revealed by GE

Source: http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/single-view/view/ge-transportation-unveils-indian-railways-evolution-locomotive.html


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More photos.







Source:http://www.financialexpress.com/photos/business-gallery/723332/indian-railways-ge-locomotives-make-in-india-features-highlights/2/
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:35 pm    Post subject: If a post contains some illegal issues you may abuse on it - just click Abuse and fill the form Reply with quote

Some videos, of the engine designed for IR being tested on a standard guage track.


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Latest video of engines under testing
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 2:04 pm    Post subject: If a post contains some illegal issues you may abuse on it - just click Abuse and fill the form Reply with quote

The first of the new GE made loco has been shipped to India.



There is also message on WAG12 (Alstom Prima class locomotive) on elocos requesting nomination for training on WAG12

"Training of LPs & LIs for WAG-12 electric loco - Nomination of staff"
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:42 pm    Post subject: If a post contains some illegal issues you may abuse on it - just click Abuse and fill the form Reply with quote

Hi Vipin,

My only doubt is that when (as other youtube videos state) the P7s themselves have 6850 HP - and because of that we should be going for higher powered as well as better gear ratio locos, what is the charm in going for a 4500 HP loco in EMDs??? Isn't that a retrograde step??

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srirangam99 wrote:
Hi Vipin,

My only doubt is that when (as other youtube videos state) the P7s themselves have 6850 HP - and because of that we should be going for higher powered as well as better gear ratio locos, what is the charm in going for a 4500 HP loco in EMDs??? Isn't that a retrograde step??


P7 is 6350 HP, WAG9 is 6120 HP, WAG12 (Alstom Prima) would be a 12000 HP locomotive. CLW is also raised a request for 9000 HP WAG9 design.

From GE we are getting two types of loco 4500 (700 locos) variant as well as 6000 HP (300 locos) variant diesel electric loco. Reason quoted for new loco from GE than current EMD is better fuel efficiency and emissions as well as probably other technology changes in new generation locomotive. Not sure about other things like axle weight etc.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:53 am    Post subject: If a post contains some illegal issues you may abuse on it - just click Abuse and fill the form Reply with quote

Oh nice feedback Vipin.

Left to me, seeing the IR's inclination to move towards LHB technology which has coaches capable of achieving up to 200-250 kmph (toned down at present to 160 kmph, and also despite fabouring speedier electrification, which will leave for some time, at least, a heady mix of electrified and non-electrified tracks, instead of the order of just 300 nos. 6000 HP diesel electrics, I would go in for anywhere between 1500-2000, even while reducing the number of other varieties.

This option would have resulted in trains like those on the Konkan or those trains running on diesel after SC or BRC (examples are TVC Rajdhani,DDN-KCVL/ Kerala SK/12484, SBC Rajdhani plus others like TEN portion of Himsagar-Navayug or MDU portions of 12687/22687 can be hauled end to end by a single diesel-electric.

Yes, the locos might initially cost more, but this kind of expenditure is worth it because, if we assume the average of such locos to be 25-odd years, then the mixed gauge operation constraints of IR can be comfortably dealt with till 2045-50, is it not?

Still, I hope as in the case of ABBs and EMDs, IR keeps provision for transfer of technology of these future gen locos.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:06 pm    Post subject: If a post contains some illegal issues you may abuse on it - just click Abuse and fill the form Reply with quote

srirangam99 wrote:
Oh nice feedback Vipin.

Left to me, seeing the IR's inclination to move towards LHB technology which has coaches capable of achieving up to 200-250 kmph (toned down at present to 160 kmph, and also despite fabouring speedier electrification, which will leave for some time, at least, a heady mix of electrified and non-electrified tracks, instead of the order of just 300 nos. 6000 HP diesel electrics, I would go in for anywhere between 1500-2000, even while reducing the number of other varieties.

This option would have resulted in trains like those on the Konkan or those trains running on diesel after SC or BRC (examples are TVC Rajdhani,DDN-KCVL/ Kerala SK/12484, SBC Rajdhani plus others like TEN portion of Himsagar-Navayug or MDU portions of 12687/22687 can be hauled end to end by a single diesel-electric.

Yes, the locos might initially cost more, but this kind of expenditure is worth it because, if we assume the average of such locos to be 25-odd years, then the mixed gauge operation constraints of IR can be comfortably dealt with till 2045-50, is it not?

Still, I hope as in the case of ABBs and EMDs, IR keeps provision for transfer of technology of these future gen locos.


From what i see these loco's are all freight specific locomotives, considering that konkan electrification and patch doubling is also in progress i am wondering which are the major diesel sections, these would be deployed in.

There is few other interesting project which might interest you.

- DLW these days manufacture electric loco, they have built few WAP7 recently.
- There is also this project i am not sure if its at DLW or CLW where they plan to manufacture loco that could use electric traction as well as operate in Diesel electric mode. this would be mostly useful for konkan kind of stretch (again since this would be kind of pilot to see how it works out operationaly)

On LHB high speed operation, i believe normal non-ac sleeper variant would always be limited to 110-130 kmph due to aerodynamic drag associated with open windows / passenger experience related to that.

There is also this project which ICF is working on where they are trying to develop train sets, similar to EMU for long distance (medium speed operation, could be targeted at MAS-SBC shatabadi kind of operation), since EMU can accelerate decelerate much faster. Whether the recent MoU with Swiss on tilting train is related to this i am not sure.
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digiviz wrote:
srirangam99 wrote:
Oh nice feedback Vipin.

Left to me, seeing the IR's inclination to move towards LHB technology which has coaches capable of achieving up to 200-250 kmph (toned down at present to 160 kmph, and also despite fabouring speedier electrification, which will leave for some time, at least, a heady mix of electrified and non-electrified tracks, instead of the order of just 300 nos. 6000 HP diesel electrics, I would go in for anywhere between 1500-2000, even while reducing the number of other varieties.

This option would have resulted in trains like those on the Konkan or those trains running on diesel after SC or BRC (examples are TVC Rajdhani,DDN-KCVL/ Kerala SK/12484, SBC Rajdhani plus others like TEN portion of Himsagar-Navayug or MDU portions of 12687/22687 can be hauled end to end by a single diesel-electric.

Yes, the locos might initially cost more, but this kind of expenditure is worth it because, if we assume the average of such locos to be 25-odd years, then the mixed gauge operation constraints of IR can be comfortably dealt with till 2045-50, is it not?

Still, I hope as in the case of ABBs and EMDs, IR keeps provision for transfer of technology of these future gen locos.


From what i see these loco's are all freight specific locomotives, considering that konkan electrification and patch doubling is also in progress i am wondering which are the major diesel sections, these would be deployed in.

There is few other interesting project which might interest you.

- DLW these days manufacture electric loco, they have built few WAP7 recently.
- There is also this project i am not sure if its at DLW or CLW where they plan to manufacture loco that could use electric traction as well as operate in Diesel electric mode. this would be mostly useful for konkan kind of stretch (again since this would be kind of pilot to see how it works out operationaly)

On LHB high speed operation, i believe normal non-ac sleeper variant would always be limited to 110-130 kmph due to aerodynamic drag associated with open windows / passenger experience related to that.

There is also this project which ICF is working on where they are trying to develop train sets, similar to EMU for long distance (medium speed operation, could be targeted at MAS-SBC shatabadi kind of operation), since EMU can accelerate decelerate much faster. Whether the recent MoU with Swiss on tilting train is related to this i am not sure.


There is news in WA groups that DLW will stop manufacturing dlocos by next year and take up assembling elocos fullfledgedly.
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Ganesh, the news also means that the Marhaura factory will leave GM with monopoly manufacturing of next gen locos which will leave minimum scope for technology transfer of both high HP locos as well as the diesel electrics.

Sad scenario!!!
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srirangam99 wrote:
Ganesh, the news also means that the Marhaura factory will leave GM with monopoly manufacturing of next gen locos which will leave minimum scope for technology transfer of both high HP locos as well as the diesel electrics.

Sad scenario!!!


Sir,

this news article may interest you, railways is looking at option of scrapping or reducing the extend of diesel factory planned with GE since railways is any way looking at electric loco as the future.

http://m.ndtv.com/india-news/bihar-may-lose-biggest-make-in-india-project-nitish-kumar-seeks-a-meet-1751984?pfrom=home-topstories
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not electric loco as the future, that may be in a few zones. But I think broadly given the mixed traction scenario on most of IR, electro-diesels (mixed traction) even if expensive initially seem to be the best bet, provide IR goes in for rapid indigenization.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:56 pm    Post subject: If a post contains some illegal issues you may abuse on it - just click Abuse and fill the form Reply with quote

INDIA: The first bodyshell for the fleet of 800 WAG12 twin-section electric locomotives which Alstom is to supply to Indian Railways was unloaded at Haldia in the Port of Kolkata on September 20, ready for delivery to the factory at Madhepura where the fleet will be assembled.

In November 2015 the Ministry of Railways selected Alstom for a contract to supply the electric locomotives from a factory to be built by a joint venture of the manufacturer and Indian Railways (26%). Deliveries are scheduled for 2018-28.

The contract allows for the first five locomotives to be imported, but the remaining 795 are to be manufactured locally in support of the government’s Make in India campaign.

The 9 MW locomotives with a maximum speed of 120 km/h will be a development of Alstom’s Prima family that includes locomotives supplied to Kazakhstan, with modifications to suit Indian requirements. They will be equipped with ABB transformers and Knorr-Bremse braking systems.

Indian Railways intends to use the locomotives to haul 6 000 tonne trains at 100 km/h on the Eastern Dedicated Freight Corridor, and on other routes to raise the average speed of heavy freight trains from between 25 and 30 km/h to between 50 and 60 km/h.

Separately, GE Transportation has a similar deal to supply diesel locomotives for Indian Railways.







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Altering railways diesel locomotive deal could derail ‘Make in India’: GE

By Nishtha Saluja

NEW DELHI: US conglomerate General Electric has cautioned the government that it will incur "substantial costs", deter future foreign investors and hurt the 'Make in India' mission if the Indian Railways alters its $2.5-billion deal to buy diesel locomotives from the company.

GE has already shipped its first diesel locomotive to India, which will arrive on October 10, as part of a contract to develop and deliver 1,000 diesel-electric locomotives, but the company's global leadership is upset over reports that India's plan to accelerate its shift to 100 per cent electric locos could derail the accord.

"If Ministry of Railways moves forward with changes to the joint venture between Indian Railways and GE, they will undermine one of the most promising infrastructure projects in the country and put future foreign investment at risk," GE said in an emailed statement. The consequences would be significant, it said.

"An alteration of this contract will have serious impact on job creation and skills development and cause the government to incur substantial costs. This will also undermine government's signature 'Make in India' initiative. We expect the partnership to move forward and the company continues to fully execute towards the plan," it said.

Government officials said the railways would save Rs 1 lakh crore of fuel and maintenance bills over a decade by phasing out diesel locomotives.

Government officials said the demand for electric locomotives would be substantial while manufacturing capability is limited to 200 a year by the railways, apart from Alstom's Madhepura plant, which will be able to supply 800 in a decade.

While railway minister Piyush Goyal has declined to comment on media reports, sources said the railways have told GE that even if it doesn't have the capability to manufacture electric locos, it can get the technology or do it in a joint venture with another company to meet demand.

The railways has also offered GE the option of setting up a locomotive maintenance shed. GE, however, is going ahead with its plans to make its locomotives in India.

"We are on track and actively fulfilling our contract with Indian Railways to develop and supply 1,000 fuel-efficient diesel-electric Evolution Series locomotives, bringing modern rail infrastructure and new high-skills jobs to the country," it said.

GE said the construction of its factory in Bihar and maintenance shed in Uttar Pradesh are well underway and expected to be completed on time.

"The project creates a robust supply chain ecosystem in India, constituting 60 new local suppliers and 10 global suppliers to achieve over 70 per cent localisation. Roughly 1,000 roles have been hired in the factory and maintenance shed and 5,000 jobs created and sustained in the supplier network," it said.

Experts said 100 per cent electrification is something no country has achieved or even targeted, because diesel engines typically provide better traction for goods trains while electric locomotives are more suitable for high-speed passenger trains.

Globally, diesel locomotives account for 55 per cent of engines, but for more than 90 per cent in North America and Australia. They account for 33 per cent in Europe and 43 per cent in China.

Indian officials said even after the country shifts completely to electric locomotives, the existing fleet of diesel engines would be adequate as back-up.

The Railway Board has estimated that only 1,500 diesel locomotives will be required after 100 per cent electrification, that too only as a back-up.



http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/transportation/railways/altering-railways-diesel-locomotive-deal-could-derail-make-in-india-ge/articleshow/60848141.cms




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